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In Intense Desert Training, Marine Women Fight For Place On Front Lines

Mar 17, 2015
Originally published on March 25, 2015 5:03 pm

In the dry and craggy hills of California's Mojave Desert, Capt. Ray Kaster tries to shout over the din of a machine gun to be heard by Alpha Company, the unit of Marines he's working with during a month of rigorous instruction at Twentynine Palms training center.

As part of a larger training session, the Marines are testing whether women have what it takes to serve in ground combat: armor, artillery and infantry units. But after the first week, nearly half of the women in the infantry unit already have dropped out — a much higher dropout rate than for their male counterparts. About a dozen women remain.

Only one of the women dropped out while in the Mojave Desert; the rest dropped out because of injuries — mostly hip and leg fractures — that they received at Camp Lejeune in North Carolina while getting ready for the live-fire event in the desert.

At Camp Lejeune, the women had to perform exercises that in the past were only performed by men, from lifting ammunition cans and machine guns and carrying fellow Marines, to simulating the evacuation of a wounded comrade.

"The load obviously is something the majority of them are not used to," Kaster says, adding that it didn't surprise him. "We're all different. And that's one of the things we're here to do, to show what are those differences, and do they affect the readiness, what toll on the readiness of the infantry small unit does that have."

Readiness means a unit is trained and equipped for the fight.

The only woman taking part in the mock infantry attack at Twentynine Palms, Sgt. Kelly Brown, agrees that the focus must be on a unit's ability to defeat an enemy.

"If females do want to do it ... there has to be standards put in place to ensure that combat effectiveness is not going to be altered for the infantry," she says.

When the mock attack is over, Brown pulls off her gear, checks her weapon and gets ready for the next round of training.

Whether women like Kelly Brown get to serve in ground combat won't be determined until later next year, when the Marine Corps looks at all the data from these training exercises. Depending on the results, the generals could recommend that some jobs, including infantry, stay closed to women.

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STEVE INSKEEP, HOST:

In this country, dozens of women are training for ground combat. They're doing it in the dry and craggy hills of California's Mojave Desert. They're spending a month at Twentynine Palms, a training center for the Marines. The Marines are testing whether women have what it takes to serve in ground combat - armor, artillery, infantry.

NPR's Tom Bowman has just returned from the first week of training at Twentynine Palms. He reports that almost half the women in the infantry unit have already dropped out, which is a much higher dropout rate than for men.

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TOM BOWMAN, BYLINE: Captain Ray Kaster commands Alpha Company, and he tries to speak above the din of a machine gun.

CAPTAIN RAY KASTER: That's one of your issues...

BOWMAN: His Marines, one of them a female sergeant named Kelly Brown, are mounting an infantry attack at this desert range. Brown is one of about a dozen women still taking part in the training. About the same number have dropped out, Kaster says.

KASTER: The majority of those were injuries.

BOWMAN: What kind, shin splints?

KASTER: It's the same stuff - hips - hips and legs, more fractures, I would say.

BOWMAN: Only one of the women dropped out while in the Mojave Desert. The rest dropped out because they got injured at Camp Lejeune, N.C., getting ready for this live-fire event. At Camp Lejeune, the women had to perform exercises that in the past were done just by men - lift ammunition cans and machine guns, carry fellow Marines to simulate a wounded comrade.

KASTER: You know, the load obviously is something that the majority of them are not used to.

BOWMAN: Does that surprise you?

KASTER: No, it doesn't. I mean, we're all different, and that is one of the things that we're here to do is to show, you know, what are those differences, and do they affect the readiness? What toll on the readiness of the infantry unit - small unit - does that have?

BOWMAN: Readiness means a unit is trained and equipped for the fight. The only woman who's taking part in this mock attack, Sergeant Kelly Brown, agrees that the focus must be on a unit's ability to defeat an enemy.

SERGEANT KELLY BROWN: If females do want to do it and this is what - you know, there needs to be a standard put in place to ensure that combat effectiveness is not going to be altered for the infantry.

BOWMAN: The mock attack is over, and Sergeant Kelly Brown pulls off her gear, checks her weapon and gets ready for the next round of training.

BROWN: I didn't think about it when I was just downloading mine. I...

BOWMAN: Whether women like her get to serve in ground combat won't be determined until later next year when the Marine Corps looks at all the data from these training exercises. Depending on the results, the generals could recommend that some jobs, including infantry, stay closed to women. Tom Bowman, NPR News, Twentynine Palms, Calif. Transcript provided by NPR, Copyright NPR.